With the popularity of the TV series and the manga it was no surprise that Toriko would go to the next level with a feature length film, which was called Gekijō-ban Toriko Bishokushin no Special Menu. The feature made its debut in theaters back on July 27th, 2013 and now it’s getting its home video release scheduled. The feature will get separate Blu-ray and DVD releases on December 6th, 2013 priced at 5040 yen and 3990 yen respectively. No first press extras have been listed as of this time nor are there any on-disc extras listed either.
The film made nearly $2 million US during its theatrical run in Japan on 179 screens.
Series Concept: Welcome to the Gourmet Age, a time when the world is full of deliciously deadly ingredients that the wealthiest appetites in existence can’t wait to devour. But only a mighty masticating mercenary like Toriko can track down the rarest animals on the planet and put them on a plate! This gluttonous gourmet hunter is one of the four Legendary Kings, superhuman warriors born to battle the likes of Troll Kongs, Gararagators, and Devil Pythons.
Accompanied by his loyal Battle Wolf and the promising young chef Komatsu, Toriko will circle the globe in search of the mouth-wateringly lethal ingredients that will one day make up his Full Course Menu of Life. The more ferocious the beast, the bigger the feast, but never forget the code of a true gourmet hunter: you gotta eat what you defeat!
The failure of the movie proved that Toriko’s anime ratings are not because of people “wanting” to watch it but sort of like a warmup for them before One Piece. Toriko’s manga sales are also average at best, when taking into account the number of times JUMP gives it a Cover and Lead color, especially in contrast to the anime ratings.
Jump should really stop promoting this series so much. It’s way past its peak and its being outperformed by newer series like Assassination Classroom and Soma. While I ain’t a fan of any of those series, AC already sells 600k a volume (same as Bleach) and Soma sells about 250k so far at this early stage(without any anime).
No, it doesn’t. Many japanese reviewers mentioned themselves that one big factor is there being no female fanbase. Still, many series fall off the top 10 ratings, so this “warmup” thing is not even anywhere near true. And again, like i always say “the merchandise is selling like crazy” for toriko. Kids won’t go buy the merchandise just to warmup before buying the OP merchandise too, no? Heck, Gourmet Survival even sold 300k till now. Crazy numbers, bro.
Toriko’s manga sales are really great if you take into account that it’s mostly, if not all, male fans. Females just don’t want big muscular people and stuff. And if you dig deep (which i know u did), Toriko’s TOTAL sales at the end of the year are higher than Bleach’s. And that’s in like 2 or 3 consecutive years? The individual volumes sell less, ya, but the total is more. Just imagine if Toriko had female fans… It’d skyrocket its sales for sure. So for something to be doing that good with mostly males, it’s quite a feat.
Also, the Jump ratings. They’re mostly in the top 5 recently (except a few like last one which was in 7th. if u’re not sure, we can check them one by one here). Ratings being that high means something, for sure. It means people LOVE it, not just like it. And it’s a fact that the sales are increasing slowly, so who knows, maybe when Naruto or Bleach finish, Toriko’ll sell more.
Also, you know about the japanese show that talks about Jump… Their survey concluded Toriko is just above Bleach in popularity. And u know about this, I know.
I dunno why you’re hating on Toriko that much. U’re always waiting for a chance to bash on it. If anything, Jump should promote it more. When Naruto and Bleach are finished, a “good” battle manga needs to be there, and Toriko is really awesome.
I know u’re a Bleach fan. But Bleach fell not because Toriko was pushed, but because its ratings dropped. When the rating drops, and something else with a higher rating replaces it, it’s not about it being pushed or milked. Anyway, imo, I think Toriko and Bleach are the best shounen out there right now. Naruto is shit, OP is good but takes too damn long and can be boring, but bleach came back up from the shitty Fake Karakura Town arc and is doing great. If anything, you should hate on that Naruto that’s still up there, with all its bad plot and stuff.
And please don’t compare Soma and Toriko. You know for sure that Soma is one big pile of fanservice. You can’t compare a shounen battle series with a fanservice series. That’s outta the question. Depends on the kind of fanservice he puts, more fans will just buy more. It’s not about it being awesome and stuff. Even his fans from his hentai series buy Soma. There are some givens: Kuroko no Basuke is a big load of fujoshi fanbase. It’s obvious why it sells that much (even though it’s awesome).
Uhhh. do I know you? Sorry if I can’t recognize you. :-/ I comment in a lot of places. So…
Firstly, I still follow Toriko cause I believe it has potential if it can fix a lot of things. There is practically no character development in the series. No mystery, nothing. Its what makes the series bland. The latest few twists were perhaps the most interesting the series got since the beginning. But that’s it. Of course it’s just my opinion.
Next, I’ll agree that maybe toriko’s manga sales aren’t high cause maybe the audience aren’t old enough to buy it. What about the movie? The movie in actuality has done quite average, at best. We don’t even know if the movie got back what was put into making it. If the audience who watch the Toriko anime are actually fans of the anime, then no matter how small they are, they would go for the movie. That’s the point. Sure, merchandise sell well but then again so does most other fairly popular series.
Also, if Toriko can’t sell well cause it can’t attract female audience, then Toriko itself is at fault for that. When you make a manga, you study the type of audience your manga would attract. Bleach surprisingly attracted females also although I believe that was never the intention. That does not mean THAT’s why Toriko sells less. That only means that its the limit of what Toriko can achieve.
Also, again it does not matter how much Toriko sells. Comparing Bleach to Toriko is stupid. Toriko has not yet achieved even the slightest of what Bleach has and that’s why Toriko fans annoy the crap outta me. Sure it sold more than Bleach in the past 2 years. Again, we are talking of one less volume number. Bleach would have easily made the top 10 list at number 8 or 7 in 2012 if it sold that one more volume. Bleach would have probably touched this year’s list also if it sells another volume (but it wont because its next volume comes after the list will be compiled). If you are gonna compare something, do it in a fair manner.
Again, as a manga I respect Toriko a lot more than I do Soma because of the stupid ecchi nonsense in the latter. And soma will also reach its limit soon enough.
Seriously, people think I bash Toriko cause I blindly hate it. I do NOT hate it. Heck, I used to love the series in the beginning so much that I used to tell my friends about it. But I was heavily disappointed after that. Toriko has major flaws which it needs to address. The thing is, it would probably be a lil late to address those flaws now since it seems like its halfway done. This current battle seemed like the halfway point, same like the Whitebeard battle arc in One Piece.
Lemme make this clear, I don’t hate on Toriko cause people compare it to Bleach. When people do that I pick on them cause what they do is stupid. But I pick on Toriko because I was a huge fan at one point and I was heavily disappointed. I still follow the series hoping that Mitsutoshi would change things.
We don’t exactly know each other, but whenever I browse on forums, be it mangahelpers, weeklyjump live journal, here, etc…, i come across a comment or 2 saying “let toriko end already, let beelzebub take it’s place, toriko doesn’t sell good” etc… and it’s always you 🙂
Again, like you said, that’s a matter of opinion. Imo, Toriko does awesomely, and it’s always been a more action-oriented series, so wanting more character development and stuff depends on opinions. Some people follow it for how pure-action awesomeness it is. So let’s leave this point aside.
While the movie made a lot of effort for advertisement, there r some stuff that could’ve made it sell better. If u take Gintama’s movie for example, it sold much much more than HxH’s, and we all know HxH sells a hell tons more in the manga than Gintama. Gintama’s movie was labeled as the final + written by the author with a new story that needs to be seen + was said that if it didn’t sell enough, there’ll be no continuation for the anime + the amount of fujoshi fans is unbelievable. Of course, i’m not saying Toriko sold anywhere near HxH even, but again, some ways to advertise work better. Also, TOEI said the movie was doing great, to them, and right now they’re saying the pre-orders for the DVD are really going great. So who knows, maybe to them it’s good. I know it’s obvious it’s low compared to other stuff, but again, many factors can play a role. Also, if u’re watching the anime still, they recently introduced blood 🙂 finally 🙂 Starting from episode 119. It may be a wise move to get the lost audience back, i hope. And no, not all other popular series sell that much merchandise… only the big of the big. If it sells merch, then it’s WANTED, that’s my point.
Nope. Not attracting female fans means it’s meant for male audiences. That’s called originality. If people just make a series to get money (Soma, fanservice crap), then that’s called appealing to people’s lust. While Kuroko no Basuke is good, it again relies heavily on bishies, which some male fans even avoid because of it. I know bleach isn’t made to lure in female fans, but again, u can’t compare bleach to a series with everyone being as muscular as it comes 🙂 I mean, originality is good: if people want their dose of sword slashing awesomeness, they can check bleach out, and if they want muscular badassery, toriko’s there. It doesn’t mean that it lacks anything. In fact, it actually means the opposite if it’s that much of a success without it. Authors don’t have to study the audiences. If they did, they’d prolly have a huge chance to succeed much more than if they purely did what they had as a good series idea, and we have Fairy Boobs as a huge example. It has shounen, but it added a shit ton of fanservice. It attracted fans all right, but it’s bad. If females won’t get attracted by huge bulky 80s style Hokuto no ken stuff, does that mean no one should do those types anymore? Sorry for dragging. I always can’t express what i mean without a long post.
Of course, comparing it to bleach is stupid, and that’s not my intention, as i love bleach too, but i just say that always cause u always say “manga sales are average at best”. If u know it sells that good (even if u exclude that single volume, approaching bleach’s numbers and sometimes passing it in other years means it’s doing GREAT), then why say average at best? I mean, i’m sorry bro, but when u know it’s doing good and u still say it’s average, i’m just forced to compare it and think u hate it.
I know u read toriko from ur comments here and there. I don’t think u hate Toriko cause u blindly hate it, but i thought u hate on Toriko cause it’s replacing Bleach, not even cause people are comparing it. I for one used to love bleach, then hated it in fake karakura town’s arc, then now i’m getting back to love it cause of the awesome arc ongoing. Still, what i’m seeing from you is not hatred for a current arc, but rather a desire for it to end, bashing everywhere, attempts to show people that it’s not doing good, etc…
I think Toriko is the best shounen out there now. It has fun elements, badass ‘mature non-teenager’ characters, it’s not all about friendship and effort, no cheap fanservice, has villains, monsters, worlds to explore, etc… Even without character development (which toriko never even had before), it’s really awesome. Then comes bleach, imo. That’s what i mean: that some people perceive how good a series is differently.
Of course, I ain’t saying the action in Toriko is bad. Its alright. Nothing impressive but its decent.
Gintama is an extremely popular anime in Japan. It never enters the top anime rating list but its anime is a cultural phenomenon there. It’s one of the main reasons why GIntama, even though it does very poorly in toc ranking, is far from being in danger. Its a one of a kind gag series with a lot of cultural references and hence extremely big in its own way. That’s why the movie even did extremely well. It’s not cause of the “Final” announcement. Of course that had an effect, but Gintama is in itself a cultural phenomenon there.
Also Toriko anime DVD or blu ray do not even chart. That’s how bad it does when it comes to the anime.
I had this doubt ever since I saw Toriko’s anime rating and the manga sales. The bump it got from the manga sales even after this huge anime rating was almost negligible. I often stated that depending on how the movie does, we’ll be able to see if Toriko’s anime is really followed by anime fans or just random people watching something for the sake of watching One Piece. Cause like I said, if they are indeed the fans of the anime, then no matter how small they are, they would go for the movie and would buy DVD’s and Blu Rays. But neither has happened. Toriko’s movie reception was average and it hardly sells anything in DVD’s and Blu Rays.
And no, Its annoying when people compare the yearly sales when clearly the manga series has put out more volumes and people use that as a reason to put down another series. I get it, that as Toriko fans you wanna talk big and high of Toriko but seriously, what’s annoying is how ignorant some people are when they actually bring up yearly sales and say “look how Toriko is above Bleach”. That way, any series can top any other series. If you wanna compare, compare in a fair manner. Otherwise it won’t be a comparison. IF Naruto sells one volume and Toriko sells 3 volumes that year, then Toriko fans would start boosting about how it outsold Naruto which is not the right way to do it. If you are gonna compare something, do it logically.
If you’ve seen my comments. you’d have seen me say that Toriko shouldn’t end but it certainly doesn’t deserve all this promotion from JUMP and being ranked in the top 5. Ranking within the top 8 is fine for Toriko and that makes sense, to me. But to me, its not worthy of being in the top 5. Actually, these days, other than Saiki and One PIece , I don’t think anything is worth top 5. Maybe Soma for its artwork but definitely not AC, which is just overhyped as hell and is not even funny.
And while you say action overcomes the character development, in every review that I’ve read the main drawback given is the lack of character development. You do not connect with the character without one. Which is why every series, no matter which it is always focuses on that at one point. You want more and more people to like the manga? They’ve got to love the characters 1st. How do they love the characters? character development. There is only so much, the initial impression can do. It’s why when any manga is out of ideas to show other sides of a character, they often show a backstory and develop the character a lot more. It’s why backstories between two characters can often develop the bond between them and show it a more effective way. Lack of character development sometimes is way more than enough to drag series down and make it horrible. Toriko is lucky to not have been heavily affected by it but its definitely clear that one of the reasons it is now stagnant is cause of the lack of any likable characters.
Most long-running series’ DVDs and BDs do not chart, apart from Onepiece. That’s the usual for long running ones. If you find them charting in their first few episodes, please link me to where you found it. Like i said, they mentioned themselves that the movie DVD pre-order is doing great, at least to them. And again and again and again, if Merchandise sells that crazy, it means people WANT something. And plus, being a fan doesn’t mean u have to watch the movie, that’s for sure. I’m a bleach fan, but i don’t watch its movies, at all. I used to be a naruto fan, and i don’t watch the movies. I buy DVDs from japan and stuff, but not the movies. Just cause you watch it, doesn’t mean u’re so crazy about everything it has, like the movies. Not all profits and stuff work the same way: it’s not 1+1=2.
Ok, ok. I dunno if u’re ignoring me or not, but ok, let’s take it this way: Remove one volume off Toriko. Fair? How much does it sell? Close to Bleach, right? Just a volume difference. So, is that still ‘average at best’? It’s not doing just good, but even great. So when u know that, and u say ‘average’, it means u either think Bleach is also “average at best”, or u’re just bashing on Toriko. Choose one. It can’t be anything else. And all that, plus that u’re also forgetting that Toriko is still considered new to how long bleach has been running, so u’re also not comparing it fairly.
Oh, u’re contradicting yourself. So Toriko doesn’t deserve it cause it needs improvements, but Soma deserves cause of the art? Toriko doesn’t deserve it cause it lacks some stuff, but Soma deserves it cause in your opinion, it has only one good point, the art? “Toriko lacks, and shouldn’t be ranked… but u repsect it more than Soma… Soma deserves the spot more than toriko cause of the art… U repsect soma less”.
Yes, of course. I’m not talking about reviews here. I was just stating my opinion, to just say that some people like Toriko just like I do. And again, I didn’t see anything about it in the toriko reviews here, for example. It’s all talking about how awesome the arcs are, how it’s the second best shounen ever, how creative it is, etc…
For example, my opinion is this: Toriko is the most manly & creative series in Jump right now, with badass characters (without character development). This alone makes it worth the watch for me, unlike many other sissy series (Soma, Nisekoi, and some more) there. And u talked about the art, which, again, is something about opinions. I think Toriko’s art is great (reminds me of the 80s). Many are like me, too. We want manly, badass action with tough art, and that’s what toriko gave us. It’s up there in the top 5 in rankings without fanservice and character development. It must mean that some people also like it the way I do. Hokuto no Ken was just badass action, with Kenshiro beating everyone in his way. It was awesome for what it is.
Also, I think AC is the best thing (not shounen) after Toriko, cause of its creativity. And what’s wrong with AC, the hype? It oughta have more character development than Toriko, no? Even I watch it for its creativity, not the laughs.
And no… that’s not what u’re saying only. I remember that one time somewhere where you said: “Toriko is popular to a ‘certain’ extent. I doubt they rig the votes, although there are chances they might offer it a small bump now and then”. Ya, excuse me for memorizing that… It just got stuck on mind. So not only is it popular only to a ‘certain’ extent, but it’s also getting votes by ‘bumps’.
Yes, so why wasn’t toriko affected by it? Cause everything else makes up for it: Badassery, over the top fights and techniques, beasts, food, world, plot, etc… Character development doesn’t always mean something good, and it all comes to opinion in the end. For example, my fav character in OP is Zoro, by faaar. And imo, his story was not good at all. Not bad, but nothing worthwhile. But he’s still awesome cause of what he is. Liking a character isn’t about his ‘development’, it’s just about liking him. Why is it being ranked that highly if there r no likable characters? Maybe just to u they’re not likable, but to others they are. Just imagine all the love toriko’s getting without character development… what if it gets some later on? It just means the characters are more likable than u think they are.
Sorry. Totally forgot about this post!
Long running series that do chart. Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Gintama, Fairy Tail (yeah! Even FT charts. That is saying something). And Bleach, Naruto, Gintama and FT don’t even get the same ratings that Toriko seems to get with the anime. That itself provides doubt that whether most of those ratings are from actual “fans”.
I think by now it is quite safe to say that Japanese fans are different. There is a reason why a company would animate a movie in the 1st place. If they don’t think people would watch it, they wouldn’t animate it. But they did and it hardly did well. It basically means their perception about the total audience watching Toriko being Toriko “fans” were mistaken.
Now the sales bit. Check both the year lists.
2012 list
3,005,339 Toriko
2,974,750 Bleach
2013 list
Toriko (1,472,308)
Bleach (1,405,579)
Toriko was ahead of BLEACH in 2012 by less than 30,000 copies. This year also, the half way list puts Toriko ahead of Bleach by less than 70,000 copies. So no. If bleach had enough time to sell that extra volume, Toriko would have required more than a single volume to even catch up. It would have needed almost 2 entire volumes to reach Bleach’s numbers. It’s gonna happen for the end of this year also. Toriko would have sold 6 volumes by the end of the year before the list comes out while Bleach would have sold just 4. So no, that’s an invalid argument. And about the longevity, then if you are gonna compare Toriko at this point, compare it with Bleach’s earlier volumes around the 200 chapter mark where Bleach sold 1 million a volume (that was the initial print number). So again, that argument is invalid. Keep in mind, Toriko is no longer “new”. It’s an established series that has been around for 5 years.
No. I meant the only reason soma deserves to be so high is only if you take the artwork into consideration. It doesn’t need to be so high. It was more like a statement that the series is cliche and nothing is unique about it other than the artwork. Toriko is definitely more deserving than Soma.
Toriko isn’t really that creative. It’s the same old thing in a new way. The creative part of it is the old drawing style with the over pumped men and fist to fist fighting n stuff. Other than that, its pretty cliche. But that’s not technically a bad thing. Toriko is not a manly series. If anything it often gives “gay” vibes and you cannot deny that. Komatsu takes away any manly element away from it. Which is why I keep saying if that character was a female then it’d be so much better.
AC is overhyped. Why? For a gag series, its not funny. That’s like Bleach or Naruto not being action oriented even though it is called a shonen series. I always liked the unique idea that AC brought forth but that was it. It has a unique idea and it hasn’t done much after that. Again, the reason it does well is cause its all about students trying to kill their teacher. It connects well with students.
And yeah, its a common fact that not everything shown in the TOC is accurate. Not every CP is deserved. All of that is a marketing strategy. I’ve said this before. Why do editors put “raving popularity” for a series when you know that its not really “raving”? It’s to get newer readers hyped up. Toriko might be doing well in rankings, we won’t know. But that won’t change the fact that there are chances it can get bumps occasionally when they think it could need one. Btw, its kinda creepy how you remember that 😛 Just saying. 😛
And using Zoro as an example is wrong. Why? because he is ONE character in a series that has detailed character developments for every other single character no matter how insignificant they are. I fail to see how that can be compared to Toriko where there is no such development for most characters if not all.
like i said, please show me the source, then we’ll talk.
again, u didn’t reply to me about how fans may not buy or see movies even if they’re fans, and u didn’t reply to me as to why toriko sells so much in merchandise, and how the sales may be quite good to them. when a filler episode for toriko starts, sometimes u see the rating much lower than usual, and that also shows fans care about it, else they’d watch it anyway to ‘warm-up’ before onepiece.
again, one volume of bleach worth of sales doesn’t put something from extremely well in sales, to ‘average at best’, right? bleach does extremely well, and toriko does really well, period. u gotta admit that at least. bleach sold 4 volumes in 2012, while toriko sold 5. just 1 volume difference, and u say “average at best”.
i was saying it’s ‘considered’ new ‘to’ bleach, so for it to be that close now, means it’s doing very well. and plus, in 2013, toriko has 4 volumes now, and bleach has 3, and the number is higher than last year’s. it means toriko’s getting more popular. and again, u know about the survey, so ya, it’s not just ‘somewhat popular’ like u make it out to be.
and the monsters, the food concept, etc… all that isn’t called creative?
it IS an extremely manly series. komatsu doesn’t make it gay at all. it’s just that people nowadays are so used to male with a female sidekick that they can’t see any sidekick as a male. what’s gay about him, btw? that he cries? that just makes him a crybaby, not gay. just look at the characters, with all muscles and stuff. it’s not about wanting to save the world, but about wanting to eat. they fight bloody battles for food, not for friendship. what’s gay about it? that they’re real buddies? people just perceive manliness as a male saving a female these days. i just don’t get it.
AC isn’t exactly a gag series though, and u know that. it has humor, but it isn’t pure gag at all… not anywhere near close, even. The more i talk with people online, the more i ‘feel’ they hate something cause of the hype, not cause it’s bad.
oh, exactly. and that’s not for toriko only, right? so why the “somewhat popular” (when it’s extremely popular) and the vibe that it’s the only series that gets that? of course it’s creepy. i just can’t forget something like that. and all the “meh, replace toriko already, etc..” which just shows bashing, and not content criticism like u’re making it look like here. And the “they’re getting a new toriko mini book just to show that the total toriko sales at the end of the year surpassed bleach’s?” comment is something i can’t forget either. Some comments with obvious intentions, at least from the context, just can’t get outta my mind… sorry about that.
ya, that’s what i’m saying… where’s the character development in zoro? where’s sanji’s? others? their stories? i dunno what u guys take as a character development. one can argue with u that toriko has character development too if u think zoro has one.
anime news network. Search any anime there and scroll down and check the “news” that pops up in that page for that particular anime. You’ll be able to see a heading that pops up often within that “news” heading. Its title is often “Japan Animation DVD Ranking”. Click on that and see. They usually show the sales also unless you go wayyy back and the sales numbers weren’t shown. That heading won’t pop up for Toriko other than once. which is the only time i can find Toriko even making that list which was way back in 2011 where it sold 400 copies in the only week it charted. In that same list, you’ll see FT above it. One PIece, Gintama, Naruto are all in that same list. Bleach would be there in other lists if you just check.
And again, I’m stating, merchandise is fine. Bleach was TV Tokyo’s 3rd best earner even though it had no anime running. What does that mean? People buy merchandises. It matters but DVD sales, Toriko movie earnings, manga sales etc matter more.
And yeah, Toriko is fine. It sells fine. Its not IMPRESSIVE. It is FINE. Why do I say its fine? Because in spite of it being promoted as the 3rd biggest series in JUMP right now, ahead of Bleach, AC, Kuroko etc. it still sells just that much. For the exposure it gets, its not impressive. It’s been getting that huge bump ever since it stepped foot into JUMP. AC has had a much bigger debut that Toriko has had and is ranking even better than Toriko but Toriko is still being pushed as the 3rd big thing by JUMP. For all that, Toriko’s sales aren’t impressive. They are FINE. Nothing more, nothing less. Heck, Soma seems to be on the process of selling more in the coming volumes.
And for 2013, Toriko has 5 volumes out by now and Bleach has 4. But Toriko will sell another volume before December that would be in November and therefore would have 6 volumes before the list is compiled while Bleach will only sell its next volume in december after the list comes out. So yeah, Toriko will have 6 while Bleach will have 4 for the yearly list. The half way list, Bleach had 2 while Toriko had 3.
Also Toriko sold a volume less last year’s half way list which is why this year is more.
You DO know that the survey was not an official JUMP survey. It was just conducted by someone else, right?
About the manliness, I don’t mean having a girl makes it more manly. But just because they have huge muscles and keep screaming, it does not make it manly. The moments between Toriko and Komatsu make it gay. Why do people not feel such gay vibes from any other series? Every series has male characters being friendly towards one another. But why does Toriko get that vibe? Kingdom, almost every encounter with a character called Ouki is ferocious. The guy looks gay and sometimes spoke like one. But he gave off such a manly vibe that it was impossible to ever call him “gay”. It’s how the characters are portrayed in Toriko. Komatsu acts like a total sissy and how he cries for Toriko and how Toriko goes “Those tears always give me strength”. It’s just waiting to be called gay. I’m not saying make Komatsu a female to get rid of the gay thing. His character is so feminine that its wrong to show him as a male.
AC is more gag than it is action or any other genre. Hype is fine. Shingeki deserves the hype for the brutality that came with it. The total lack of typical shonen plot progress is what makes this series unique. Kingdom deserves any hype because of the intensity that it brings with it. Heck, Kingdom is so well done that it deserves more recognition. The art, the intensity that never ends no matter what point of the arc you are in, the characters, the scale of battle. It deserves every inch of hype it can get. Terra Formars deserves any hype because of the unique setting and ideas and the effort that mangaka has put into the art and all the information you find in that manga. AC’s only hype deserving moment is the unique idea. Notice how I said a lot more about Terra Formars than just idea? It takes more than an idea to keep a series deserving of hype.
Toriko mini book? what?
I’m sorry but they actually spent an entire arc developing sanji and Nami’s characters. They explained why they are the way they are. How they got there what made them choose their paths. They’ve explained all that. However, for Toriko’s case I fail to see that in any character. Zoro is ONE character, like I said. Its probably what makes him more badass being the one character no one knows anything about. But having almost a lot of characters like that in Toriko is a different story.
ya, sure. u call 980 copies for each DVD charting? that’s nothing at all. ‘just’ charting doesn’t mean anything. Ok, good… so let’s take it from here then: If naruto and bleach are thaaaaaat popular, with movies, manga, etc… selling like hell, why are the DVDs only selling barely 1000? Does that mean people don’t like naruto? There are just some stuff u can’t explain. If i go by ur logic, why aren’t ‘all’ anime fans going to get the DVDs.
sure. so people buy merchandise for bleach, which means they WANT it. DVDs doing barely well in bleach too, btw (even though it’s extremely popular)
Toriko: Manga is doing extremely well, but just not like the others, again, in individual volumes. but ya, the manga is doing extremely well. Anime DVDs aren’t ranking, but again, maybe other factors play a role, like kids (biggest anime audience) not affording such DVDs. It’s a big thing for sure. Movie did good in their books, and that’s enough for us to know it has fans. So u’re saying that if some aspect is doing bad, and the merchandise is doing extremely well, that means what exactly? that non-fans go buy the merch? c’mon.
It just means not everything goes according to plans. Maybe the merchandise is really accessible to kids, while the DVDs don’t sell much. By logic, bro… how can something that doesn’t interest people sell that much merch? It’s 1 zillion times more obvious some stuff may be more expensive for kids. All that taking into account the miserable numbers naruto or bleach make with DVD. Maybe they’re even not old enough to buy toriko DVDs, u know.
omg, finally. There’s a HUGE difference between selling ‘fine’ and selling ‘average at best’, u know? I dunno why many people aren’t getting why JUMP is promoting it. Isn’t it obvious that having that high in rankings guarantees more promotions and stuff? Isn’t it logical to promote their visioned new pillar in battle manga when 2 of them would end soon?
ya, but still, it shows how popular toriko is.
gay vibes? wait, so what’s wrong with him saying that line about the tears giving him strength? that’s ur definition of gay? if u have a bro, a really dear friend, a father… and he cries for u and stuff, it’s gay that it gives u strength? lolz. If that’s gay, then i dunno what’s gay anymore.It’s just the author’s definition of great buddies. It’s how close they are as friends… they’re like brothers. He’s just a real crybaby, not feminine at all. That’s like a million degrees off the word “gay”. Apart from Komatsu being a cry baby, the characters are shit manly, and the battles are wild. I don’t see sissy naruto crying over sasuke (who was an enemy) considering him his bestest friend ever, i don’t see toriko acting like ichigo and saying some bullshit to ulquiora when he injured him with the hollow, i don’t see toriko shouting ‘nakamaaaaaaaa’ or natsu shouting ‘for the future, my nakamaaaaa’. It’s manly, with or without komatsu.
No. AC is just a fantasy series. Maybe you read it with the mindset that it’s a gag series from the start, and that’s why u didn’t like it. It has gag, but it’s not gag. That should be pretty obvious.
That just means that’s ur opinion of them. Cause again, I can tell u toriko: the art (manly 80s gory style that’s nonexistent these days), the intensity with each arc (i never get bored from toriko, be it in fights, be it in beast battles, revelations, etc….), the characters (badass non-teenagers, which u rarely find these days with many food-themed abilites and stuff), unique setting (world about food), all the info u find (science stuff, beastiary and food info for everything), etc… no? That’s just called personal opinion, bro. Doesn’t mean something that u say deserves or doesn’t deserve should get the hype it got or shouldn’t.
oh sure. call me creepy if u want, but ya, remember the memorable scenes book for toriko? and remember ur comment back then? “”Is this a new way of ensuring that Toriko gets featured in the year end top 10 selling list? I see no other point in releasing volumes so close by in a year when it would slow down the volume releases of the next year.””
^^ that implies just the obvious, no matter how u explain it.
that may not be called “developing” by many. it just means they showed their story. Ok, so why is Zoro likable is we know nothing about him? Aren’t the toriko characters mostly bland since they have no character developments? So it being 1 or many is what matters to make 1 or all characters likable or not? please.
That’s one of the stupidest logic and comment I have seen. People watch Toriko for warm up? You insane or what? If people don’t like Toriko and are not “fans” of it, they simply won’t watch it, they will watch something else. There are quite a lot of stuff to watch, yet they watch Toriko. You logic is failure, because people don’t watch things they don’t like, not the opposite. Go watch Boku no Pico every day for warm up for your other anime >.>
DVD sales: They release more often Rental DVDs than Retail DVDs. Each month there is Rental DVD, while Retail most of the time comes later and 1 per 2 month. If you watch something, doesn’t mean you must buy it, especially if the audience is younger, they can’t afford the expensive DVD.
You know, it may not believe it, but not everyone who buys Jump, then buys the volumes too. Toriko is always on the top of Jump ToC, meaning it have quite a lot of fans, that doesn’t necessary mean they must buy the volumes, when they have already read the manga. If it was Toriko the only thing they read, then they would be buying only the volume (like it seems was the case with Nurarihyon, when it’s rank was bad, but the sales good).
Toriko sells fine and not impressive? You hit your head somewhere or you are short of gray matter inside? Toriko prints 570,000 per volume, some of the volumes went out of the charts after 450,000+ sales, others early (you must be an idiot if you think that if it goes after 350,000 then it stopped selling, and if it was selling that much they won’t print 570 per volume). But even 350,000 is IMPRESSIVE. How many series sells that much? How many series they are in Japan? 5-10? No, thousands. Yet Toriko manages to enter in the all time year sales in top 10 or 20. And that is not impressive? To have 10-20 series that sell more? It’s fine? HILARIOUS YOUR MIND IS!
Comparing it with yearly sales of Bleach: Who cares in the first place about this? Second, who’s fault that Kubo takes breaks after breaks to think for something he must have taught long ago. it took him 5 years to taught up the final arc. Also Kubo draws less pages. Less pages, more breaks, naturally Toriko will have more volumes per year. Because the author works harder than Kubo. And one more think. Those year sales include sales for the old volumes too, not only for the last 4-5-6 volumes.
You sound like extreme Toriko hater, trying to neglate the success of Toriko and to even turn it into nothing, while it’s quite obvious is not and it’s not just “fine”. Even for Jump standards, Toriko is doing great. Not as impressive as OP, Naruto, HxH or AC. But all those except AC, had 2x more time to build their fanbase. Don’t go compare it to them or Bleach. Compare the series sales, when they have same time in Jump and volumes, i.e. compare OP v25 sales (when it come out), with bleach v25 (when it come out) with Toriko v25 (when it come out). Not years of years later, when OP and Bleach had sooo many years in Jump and so many years of running anime, merchandise, games, etc. You reminded me of an idiot who when Toriko anime started (basically only 3-4 eps were out), said that OP is better in many aspects like bigger world and more characters. What did he expect, for 4 eps to have bigger world and more characters than 450 eps of One Piece? XD
Btw I want to ask, if you hate Toriko that much (don’t go saying you don’t, since I have seen your nickname on few places where you were constantly bad mouthing Toriko), why do you keep reading news about it and comment? You must have no life or the hate to be strong in you, to always trying to trash talk it and make sound how awesome Bleach is. Which is not, since it’s have one of the stupidest done plots and the most boring fights (high-speed sword slashes, again and again and again, constant upgrades out of nowhere with new forms which are thrown again soon after and never used again), it dropped so many characters and rendered them useless (Kon, Chad, Inoue – main characters, that where thrown in the trash can, since the author can’t think of how to make interesting fights with them). The anime had one of the worst fillers ever (although the zanpaktou arc was much better than the last 3 or 4 bleach arcs). The manga had a strong point -> art. Which Kubo quickly destroyed that strong point, as they are quite a lot entirely white or black pages, with a shitting moon on them or a fucking cloud… not once, but he done that few times… His covers are the lamest thing ever: one big shitty number with title on black or white background, while before he was drawing normal covers. Not to mention that his entire manga don’t have a fucking backgrounds at all: only sky, desert, white walls, even Hueco Mundo castle was a shitty stone walls only, in order to not have to draw normal backgrounds. Talk as much as you want how good Bleach is, or how good sales it have (which dropped like 20-30% because of those shitty things I mentioned). Unlike you, who hate Toriko without even reading it whole and probably have at best read first few chaps (which weren’t that good, just like first few chaps of OP were bad) and checked some other pages, I have read Bleach since 7 years, and was a fan of it, but after SS arc it all started to become a shit. And right now is complete garbage. It feels the author is pulling shits out of his ass.
Are you serious? You think kids won’t watch a show that leads into their next one? I’m assuming you were a kid at one point and you are telling me you have never done that? Also, every fact point towards that. Unfortunately, the only fact that shows the Toriko anime is “popular” is the tv ratings. Nothing else even remotely shows that Toriko is popular as an anime. I would have easily accepted that Toriko is a popular anime if the movie did well. But it didn’t.
I’m sorry but rental dvd’s retail dvd’s don’t matter shit. The fact is Toriko’s DVD’s sell less than 500 and leave the list while series like Bleach and Naruto that don’t even enter the tv ratings sells 2000-4000 before leaving the list. Their movies make at least 6 million dollars before leaving the theatres while Toriko’s movie barely touched 2 million.
I’m sorry but print numbers aren’t sales. Toriko sells 440k maximum and hasn’t increased or decreased for the past 2 years. Check 2012 and 2013 lists.
Lemme say this again. 350k is an impressive amount for a series! But its NOT impressive for Toriko because for the intense promotion it has been getting since it entered JUMP. Within the 1st year itself JUMP started promoting it as one of the big manga. It hasn’t reached that potential. Rather it hasn’t shown that potential. Toriko has a huge world within itself and therefore can extend for a lot of years if JUMP wants it to. But unfortunately, the series hasn’t taken off like Naruto or Bleach or One PIece. I’m sure JUMP had something of that sorts in their minds when promoting toriko so much. But that didn’t happen. So yeah, just to be clear. 350k is an impressive amount but for the number of times it gets covers and CPs and shit, its just FINE. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’m not gonna bother about the other reply since it just seems like a typical reply from an enraged Toriko fan not finding facts to explain his reasons and picking on BLEACH because JUMP promotes Toriko more than Bleach. Toriko has a long way to go before even coming close to a series like Reborn or Gintama, let alone Bleach.
And comparing to Bleach is something YOU Toriko fans do. Not the other way around. It’s why I hate Toriko fans.
I DO NOT HATE TORIKO as a series. Heck, I still follow it and I used to LOVE it in the beginning. I actually like what’s happening right now in the series and think its the best the series has gotten since the beginning. But what I hate the most are Toriko fans who talk big by putting other series down. That’s just stupid. If you wanna make your series look big, do it in a way that isn’t offensive to other fans. Otherwise, you’ll have to get agitated like how you got now. Plain and simple. Savvy?
Damn! You’ve written a LOT! 😛
Gimme sometime, I’ll reply asap.
no. no one watches a show for warm-up. and no, not every fact. again, merchandise, man,, merchandise. dunno how many times i said this already.
oh, wrong. the last naruto dvds i’m seeing sell only aroud a thousand, not 2, and never even close to 4.
haven’t increased? u sure? check again. it’s increasing, but slowly.
YES. Impressive for a series. To hell with how it’s promoted. It’s IMPRESSIVE for a series, not ‘average at best’. phew.
Nope. Comparing them is something YOU yourself do. Check my post down there about ur words from mangahelpers. it’s obvious everywhere u go, btw.
took me a while to read all these comments and I have some things to say
DVDS ARE USELESS:
you can’t compare toriko dvd sales to naruto,just because out of the millions who watch naruto there are 1000 more rich people who buy dvds than in toriko’s mostly children audience doesn’t mean toriko anime is not more popular,i myself am a huge fan of toriko and i have all 17 English volumes but I won’t buy the dvds because there are a lot of them…im also a huge fan of bleach but like the guy above(zangetsukakashi) i won’t bother downloading and watching the movies let alone go and pay to watch it because I think of it as a filler.
GAY VIBES MY ASS:
theres nothing gay about toriko…seriously i don’t know where did that come from….sigh..people these days…only stupid haters say that,don’t be one of them.saying toriko has gay vibes is like saying one peice is a hentai manga. the real gay manga is naruto we all know it’s a yaoi manga because naruto will end up with sasuke. if you think komatsu cries a lot just look at orihime crying “kurosaki kuun” so many times that i feel like muting the volume. if you hate komatsu it doen’t make him gay and doesn’t make the manga any bit gay.
NARUTO AND SOMA ARE SHIT:
seriously, toriko deserves to be in top 3 in jump, it has amazing art, awesome character designs, epic fights, and very amazing and well done world, and even though it’s a shonen manga it’s not all mindless battles,it has lots of adventure and exploring and even arcs like gourmet casino are very exiting with almost no fights. i think it’s one of if not the most creative manga right now. and getting color pages is just normal for a manga regularly in top 3. it’s true that SJ are promoting toriko ALOT but that’s because it’s going to be the only battle manga left when naruto and bleach end so they logically want it to be as popular as them and sell like 1million volumes like naruto and the reason it didn’t work as good is like zangetsukakashi said that it doesn’t have a fujoshi fanbase because it doesn’t have bishies or gay vibes, and it also doesn’t have the boobs fanbase (yes that’s a big fanbase for a lot of series that sell well) because…well toriko doesn’t have enough of that. i mean just look at soma… it’s generic in every possible way..generic mc wanting to surpass whatever,add high school and whatever boring story…and then comes the boobs and makes it sell 250k volumes…a big fanbase indeed.
now putting toriko instead of bleach in covers and stuff as part of big 3 is something else, the reason for that is that despite the epic bleach arc going on right now some stupid people don’t vote for it as much as before and instead they vote for Gayruto and Shit no soma….. really people???? you don’t like bleach arc?? EAT SHIT!! bleach shits on naruto and soma and this arc is freaking amazing and it will get even better, if you don’t vote for bleach then go eat shit people…seriously. ohh where was i?
yea people stopped voting for bleach because they are stupid and then it’s rankings dropped so they decided to replace ichigo with toriko in covers…. really???? ICHIGO???WHY NOT NARUTO WITH TORIKO AND LEAVE ICHIGO??? i mean naruto is shit i don’t even know why it still isn’t over…
And you can’t say toriko doesn’t have likable characters…that’s just your opinion, in fact toriko has a lot of unique and likable charcters , and even though i agree that it would be better if they give the main characters a flashback arc or something about their back stories, they are still very cool and likable and unique in their own way. honestly there is not any character in particular that i hate in toriko, some of the bad guys are annoying or look like fodder but most of the characters are either just ok or really awesome imo.
lastly there is no need to compare bleach sales to toriko sales, theyre both doing great, 1 volume more or 10volumes more.. no one gives a shit… toriko is a BIG HIT and no one can say otherwise, it doesn’t matter how much promotion it got and it doesn’t have to reach bleach sale to be a big hit just like bleach doesn’t need to reach one piece sales.
honestly after reading these comments i feel like you are just a hater, there is no need to say that a series is doing good just because of pushing it or promoting or that it’s a warm up.. these are just baseless assumptions with no real proof and really make look like a hater even if you are not.
Toriko is awesome and so is bleach theyre my favourite 2 battle shonen series, there is no need to compare them. peace
well, that’s the problem: he (101nemesis) keeps saying that the toriko fans are the ones who wanna feel toriko is good by downgrading other series, like bleach, but he isn’t noticing that he’s the one who keeps commenting on every single forum about how ‘toriko shouldn’t be up there, JUmp should stop promoting it, it’s doing badly, etc..” . I mean, just take this site for example… Chris is posting about how Toriko is getting a movie and stuff, and then 101 just comes in and says “jump should stop promoting it, etc etc” as u saw above. Talk about downgrading other series. I mean, u already said that on a zillion other places.
he says the current arc is toriko’s best, but all u see from him in weeklyjournal are just “meh at toriko’s chapter”, or “why doesn’t whatever series replace toriko, sigh”, or “toriko doesn’t deserve”.
i can’t remember a single comment from him about toriko other than it not deserving, and then says it’s the toriko fans’ fault. c’mon, bro. Expect people to downgrade on ur beloved series when u downgrade on theirs.